Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender violence in movies

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep.

Gender violence in movies

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Non-notable as a standalone topic, possibly more suitable as a subtopic of domestic violence. As it is this is just an indiscriminate list that appears to be synthesis. Drm310 (talk) 16:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator Another experienced editor has agreed to collaborate with the article creator to make it viable. --Drm310 (talk) 18:50, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Nothing to incorporate into domestic violence, really. A separate section on domestic violence and popular culture could be called for, but only in a prose format. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 17:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. There's an argument to be made for an article about this topic, but this is not that article. If someone else wants to start over again and write an article based on reliable sources, that's fine. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Keep because the topic is notable despite the article not being in good shape. Per WP:BEFORE, "Consider whether the article could be improved rather than deleted." I suggest moving the article to domestic violence in film. The topic's general notability is demonstrated below:
  • The AFI Readers book Violence and American Cinema has the chapter "Documenting Domestic Violence in American Films".
  • The book Violence Against Women in Families and Relationships has the chapter "Film, Violence, and Gender".
  • The book Engaging Film Criticism: Film History and Contemporary American Cinema has the chapter "The Redemption of Domestic Violence: The New Hollywood Family from To Kill a Mockingbird to Sling Blade".

I also found books with chapters about domestic violence in a specific film. I believe it is possible to also have a list article where we can identify films that have acts of domestic violence. The article list of films featuring surveillance, which I developed, can be used as a template for that, so there can be both prose and list in regard to this topic. Drm310, Jprg1966, NinjaRobotPirate -- what approach would satisfy you here? Erik (talk | contribs) 17:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• This seems like a fair proposal. I have stricken my vote to delete. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 17:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks. I've also contacted GenderMovie about a possible collaboration. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:20, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• I'd change my mind as long as the resulting article is a list of films in which gender-based violence is central to the plot a major arc. The definition of gender-based violence needs to be established, though, using reliable sources. What I don't want to see is a mile-long list of films that could interpret any act of violence as being gender-motivated. --Drm310 (talk) 17:51, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• We can leave it up to secondary sources to determine that and require for each entry to be backed by one (or two, if preferred). Erik (talk | contribs) 18:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

• This sounds more like the article that I was envisioning. One source per entry is enough, but the source should clearly state that the violence is gendered. I was also thinking that a real article could be written about this topic: a history of gendered violence, its causes, and its reception. For example, Roger Ebert famously railed against early-80s slasher films for their misogyny and gender-based violence. The BBFC also infamously banned many films from England in the early 1980s because of their gender-based violence. That's what I was expecting to find in this article, and I was ready to argue a strong keep – until I saw the article itself! A list is perfectly fine, but I think a Good/Featured article could be written about this topic. The list itself could be spun off as List of films featuring gender violence or some-such. But I'm OK with any of the proposed solutions, as long as reliable sources are introduced, the list criteria are clearly stated, and the article adheres to the Manual of Style (no inline links). I struck my vote, so if someone wants to close this as "speedy keep", they can. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:17, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.